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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:14
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No, because I'm going to
write all of this down on the inside of my
eyelids, so I'll never forget.
NEVER.
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:15
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I'm afraid he
is representing the views held by hundreds of
people who do own the game and are simply not
happy.
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:17
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Eyelids can be
removed.

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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:20
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I've saved the
most important parts of this topic to my PC so
just in case this get's removed for any reason
it's always there.

I look forward to
reading both replies from Steve & Nellis. Did
I mention I love this place. No? Well I do.
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:21
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nellis
wrote:

So with this in mind perhaps a 9
was a little too enthusiastic. Perhaps. But for
gamescentral to score it a 3 is just plain
rubbish. A 3, or even a 6, would suggest that
the game is fundamentally broken and the
gameplay offers little if anything in the way of
enjoyment. This is simply not true, far from it.

Nick Ellis
Deputy editor,
XBW

It's not rubbish. It's what
we genuinely think. We think it's fundamentally
broken, and it contains no enjoyment.

You
don't agree? Fine. But that doesn't make our
opinion rubbish. Please don't bounce off us as a
way to try and justify your own scoring.

Cheers,
Steven Bailey
Editor

GameCentral

P.S. A 6/10 for no
enjoyment and fundamental flaws?
Blimey.

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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:22
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Yes. I have to
say I've grown accustomed to its face.

And yes, when talking about
opinion over fact it's quite bad form to rubbish
another websites review. Infact somewhere in the
middle of those is probably about right. Like the
5 from Gamespot.
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:23
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gismalla
wrote:

nellis
wrote:

So with this in mind perhaps a 9
was a little too enthusiastic. Perhaps. But for
gamescentral to score it a 3 is just plain
rubbish. A 3, or even a 6, would suggest that
the game is fundamentally broken and the
gameplay offers little if anything in the way of
enjoyment. This is simply not true, far from it.

Nick Ellis
Deputy editor,
XBW

It's not rubbish. It's
what we genuinely think. We think it's
fundamentally broken, and it contains no
enjoyment.

You don't agree? Fine. But
that doesn't make our opinion rubbish. Please
don't bounce off us as a way to try and justify
your own scoring.

Cheers,
Steven
Bailey
Editor

GameCentral

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Dini vs Stuart Campbell, but it's got potential!

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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:24
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gismalla
wrote:

nellis
wrote:

So with this in mind perhaps a 9
was a little too enthusiastic. Perhaps. But for
gamescentral to score it a 3 is just plain
rubbish. A 3, or even a 6, would suggest that
the game is fundamentally broken and the
gameplay offers little if anything in the way of
enjoyment. This is simply not true, far from it.

Nick Ellis
Deputy editor,
XBW

It's not rubbish. It's
what we genuinely think. We think it's
fundamentally broken, and it contains no
enjoyment.

You don't agree? Fine. But
that doesn't make our opinion rubbish. Please
don't bounce off us as a way to try and justify
your own scoring.

Cheers,
Steven
Bailey
Editor
GameCentral

P.S. A
6/10 for no enjoyment and fundamental flaws?
Blimey.

*Jumps up & down like a
small school kid at
Christmas*
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:27
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gismalla
wrote:

nellis
wrote:

So with this in mind perhaps a 9
was a little too enthusiastic. Perhaps. But for
gamescentral to score it a 3 is just plain
rubbish. A 3, or even a 6, would suggest that
the game is fundamentally broken and the
gameplay offers little if anything in the way of
enjoyment. This is simply not true, far from it.

Nick Ellis
Deputy editor,
XBW

It's not rubbish. It's
what we genuinely think. We think it's
fundamentally broken, and it contains no
enjoyment.

You don't agree? Fine. But
that doesn't make our opinion rubbish. Please
don't bounce off us as a way to try and justify
your own scoring.

Cheers,
Steven
Bailey
Editor
GameCentral

P.S. A
6/10 for no enjoyment and fundamental flaws?
Blimey.

Good work.

Shall we
all form a ring around the two combatants and
scream "FIGHT FIGHT! KIIIIIILL!!!" This is the
most heated topic we've had here for a long time.
My money's on Bailey and the word-of-mouth power
behind him.

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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:27
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KKLEIN
wrote:

*Jumps up & down like a
small school kid at
Christmas*

I like you, Kklien. You
make me laugh. I can't
wait for Steve to kick it all off
tonight!

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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:28
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Just to bring
up another point....IGN announced that the game
went gold on JUNE 4. And yes, that includes the
PS2 version. In layman's terms, that means the
code wasn't finished until then.

Also, I
remembered this from the other Driv3r review
thread. The Eurogamer staffers weren't impressed.

Eurogamer
wrote:

It absolutely, catagorically
cannot have been finished code that PSM2
reviewed. Not a chance. Knowing magazine
deadlines, they went to print probably at the
beginning on May. For example, we contribute to
Nintendo Official Mag, and did the last pages
for it at the end of April, with the street date
11th May.
Realistically, they wrote that
feature at the end of April, based on two or
three days play and a further day writing
(probably split between writers) and then laid
out. My guess is that code was a mid April
build, some way short (6-8 weeks) of gold
master.
Release the hounds...

In terms of sheer wealth of
information, contributions from the players
involved, and the various plot-twisty shenanigans,
this must be the best thread that Gamesradar has
ever had.....
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:31
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Cal
wrote:

I like you, Kklien. You make me
laugh. I can't wait for
Steve to kick it all off
tonight!

Neither can I. I'm expecting a
really important phone call too yet I can't bring
myself to log off. Curses to the technological
limitations on a dial up
connection...
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:32
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Eighthours
wrote:

In terms of sheer wealth of
information, contributions from the players
involved, and the various plot-twisty
shenanigans, this must be the best thread that
Gamesradar has ever
had.....

Undeniably. There've been
longer threads but they were mostly wishlists for
GTA and the like. This must hold the record for
staying on topic longest on top of all its other
just-acquired accolades.

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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:35
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I just wish I
could find that interview with Sanchez in which he
basically admitted everything that goes on in the
magazine industry. The link was posted here but
I've forgotton who actually posted it. It was on
some French gaming site. I thought Google was
meant to find everything...

It was on
Playstation.co.uk's forums but the Admin deleted
it for 'legal
reasons'.
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:47
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nellis
wrote:

The PS2 code was finished, PSM2
were not lying. Sony and MS have different
submission deadlines, the PS2 code is always
finished first with multi-platform titles. The
code we had was a few weeks off - the game in
it's entirety was there - cutscenes, sound,
whatever - the remaining dev time was for
polishing, we were told. As I said in my
original post, I will look at the boxed game
tonight and post again tomorrow.

I fail
to see how the Stephen is qualified to comment
on a game that he has NOT EVEN PLAYED.
Jeez...

Thanks for actually having
the decency to come on here and try and explain,
you didn't have to and it's nice of you to take
the time out and actually respond to the consumer,
something 99% of companies dismiss.

I,
like yourself, am thoroughly enjoying the game
despite it's technical flaws. It would be
interesting to hear from you what Atari told you
would be polished, and what indeed actually wasn't
in the final result.

And GameCentral
blokey, I agree it is all a matter of opinion, but
awarding a game 3/10 is like saying it's on par
with Hugo or Army Men, which it obviously is
not.
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