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Reviews. Were PSM2 & XBW honest? (Part
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Pell
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:06
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This thread is
so amusing.

Right, 1st off I want to state
that I have not played Driv3r yet (though have
played through the previous 2 and Stuntman). Also
I am standing on the fence for my conclusion. I
support neither the magazines nor the hoard of
angry villagers with torches outside Future
Publishing HQ. I want this to be clear.

Okay 1st off, everyone is taking this
FAR to
serious. Edge game Mario Kart: DD a 5. Some people
agreed, many didn't. Were we supposed to boycott
Edge? No.
Before you even say anything I'm not
naive, this is different-
there a game was slagged off, and here a
(possibly) bad game was given much praise. So does
that mean NGC and Gamesmaster took bribes to give
the (MK:DD) game over 90%? Personally I love
MK:DD, but felt it was more deserving of the 5
from Edge than 90%+ from NGC and Gamesmaster. No,
it was never mentioned that this was the case.

Right, now I know you all love to lay into
Driver 2 and Stuntman. Yes there were many
glitches (more so in Driver 2) and glaring faults.
HOWEVER, I loved the games. They were fun to play.
So what if it glitched a few times? It's very
annoying I know, but before you say that the game
should be marked down to 3/10 or something
ridiculous for that is ludicrous. I cannot count
the times when Metroid Prime, SSBM, GTA3, GTA Vice
City and many more have crashed and I've had to
restart as a result. I'm not defending Driv3r
because I haven't played it to judge for myself,
but it's ludicrous to criticise this game for
faults which plenty other loved games have.

In my opinion, Driv3r is not being judged
as just a game, it's being judged on the basis of
all the hype, on the fact that there have been so
many previews of it saying that it's looking
poor... The truth is many wanted it to fail. They
expected it because this is what we've been told
by one persons opinion from early preview codes.
These opinions have stuck and so everyone is going
overboard.

Okay, the glitches: So what?
Some may be disruptive to play and I'm not saying
they can be ignored. But why the hell are people
getting up in arms about a collision with a
lampost. So what? Do you all really believe that
they just fall over and bounce down the street ala
GTA? Where the hell is peoples rationality with
slating Driv3rs physics engine yet nit mentioning
GTAs? Burnout 2 was chock full of similar
glitches. I could happily make hours and hours of
footage showing cars getting crushed against
invisible walls in the middle of a clear road.
OMG! Give Burnout 2 a 3!!! I managed a ludicrously high Crash mode
score for ITB by exploiting such glitches, so that
tankers and buses compacted and flew into the air
for about 10 seconds spinning at God knows how
many RPM. Yet Driv3r is a bad game for similar
faults and Burnout 2 is not?

As for the
magazines. Driv3r sounds nowehere near a 9 from
what I've read. All the evidence points to
something strange. Of that there is no doubt (the
pointing that is, not that there's bribery going
on or anything). But people please think. 3 out of
10 you want? That makes it almost on par with
games such as Beyblade-virtually unplayable. Again
I cannot justify until I actually play but it look
like fun, I thought Driver 2 was despite cries
from many about it being unfinished.

Reviewing unfinished code. Well, I think
that if the magazines reviewed the actual release
copy then many games would be out the month before
the reviews, something very annoying I'm sure this
you'll agree. But to believe that the bugs from an
unfinished code so near to completion will be
ironed out is also stupid. People are paid a lot
of money to promote such items. They can make
almost anything sound good-hell I'm sure that by
believing PR guys most people would be salivating
over an Army Men game instead of realising the
tripe that it really is.

Most people here
are hardcore gamers. You like your Edge or your
Games TM. You think Gamesmaster is for children or
whatever. DIfferent magazines cater for different
people. I would say more 'casual gamers' buy PSM2
and XBW. These magazines cater for these people.
Just because you cannot like a game for it's
faults does that mean everybody else can't too? My
cousin hasn't a clue about games, he'd buy the
most obscure and terrible games because they
'looked good', but it's for people like this (but
not soley) that some magazines are geared. He
loves GTA3 and VC, they're his favourite games.
But another is Driver 2. If he were to play Driv3r
I'm sure he'd love that too.
My point being
that although you feel it doesn't deserve a high
score, many many people will believe it does.

So what does this come down to? People
want heads to roll at Future? Over what? 2 dodgy
reviews. Now that is stupid. Reviews are opinions
of individuals, that much has always been clear.
Now I totally agree that if what I've read is true
then some of these reviews are misleading. The
truth is this happens in every magazine. I'm not
sure what points I've made here, and I know I've
missed a load out atm which I'll rectify tomorrow,
but as a neutral on this arguement please take
time to step back and realise you are going way
too far with this
witch-hunt.
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concon777
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:19
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I have not
played it yet but could someone tell me are the
glitches as bad as streets of LA? In that game i
was driving up a hill full of grass and suddenly
the ground beneath me disappeared and suddenly i
was falling downwards for eternity. That had hype
but just because this is THE summer hit, people
are thrashing it as it didn't live up to the
expectatons of 90%+. If they took more time to
cure these glitches however bad they are, we would
have a delayed release over and over again, then
this game would be the Tomb raider of last year.
And i also dont see twins on streets as a bad
thing, in GTA VC, there are tons of skaters near
the beach who all look identical, i had at least 5
on the screen at he one
time.
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bear
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:20
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Pell I think
you are missing the point slightly.People are not
taking issue with the scores that were given more
the fact it appears that (and seems ever more
likely) that both of these magazines were offered
incentives of a type in order for driv3r to obtain
good scores.Its not about opinion its about the
principle that consumers who pay £4+ for a
magazine in order to get information about games
and have faith in review scores are being quite
clearly shafted and wasting £45 on a sub-standard
product.
Also I see OPSM2 have sold out for
GTA again...

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Pell
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:44
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Which brings me
back to the whole MK:DD fiasco and also the fact
that PSM2 and XBW are catered for different
people. Otherwise Future wouldn't plublish so many
games magazines in direct competition with each
other.
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simon71
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:49
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Pell
wrote:

Which brings me back to the
whole MK:DD fiasco and also the fact that PSM2
and XBW are catered for different people.
Otherwise Future wouldn't plublish so many games
magazines in direct competition with each
other.

I don't think there is any
possibility of Edge having been bribed or
blackmailed into giving MK:DD a 5.

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Pell
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:57
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Of that there's
no doubt. But what's to say NGC and Gamesmaster
weren't for their 94% or whatever it
was?
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jamiej
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:58
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Just like
Gamecentral-EDGE were being honest.
Unlike
GamesTM's anti ps2
bollocks
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Pell
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:59
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Hey guys this
CANNOT slide into an Edge vs Games TM slagging
match or anything! The whole MK:DD scenario was
used to highlights shortcomings in the criticisms
leveled at XBW and
PSM2.
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jamiej
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:01
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Dont worry-i
like Edge and Gamestm.
Im just making
comparrisons.
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Stephen
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:24
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nellis
wrote:

The PS2 code was finished, PSM2
were not lying. Sony and MS have different
submission deadlines, the PS2 code is always
finished first with multi-platform titles. The
code we had was a few weeks off - the game in
it's entirety was there - cutscenes, sound,
whatever - the remaining dev time was for
polishing, we were told. As I said in my
original post, I will look at the boxed game
tonight and post again tomorrow.

I fail to see how the
Stephen is qualified to comment on a game that
he has NOT EVEN PLAYED.
Jeez...

I have played MOH
RS. If you read carefully, that is the only game
I've directly slated. Beyond that, I was talking
about a lack of reliability on the part games
publications to tell potential buyers about when
they are being conned. As for Driver 3, it always
looked a
bit naff - the Ridley Scott rubbish had the little
alarm bells going off all over the place. Here's
an idea "Atari"-do all that after you finish
the game. That said, I do intend to give it a go
-probably on a demo, I imagine.

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jamiej
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:51
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I see
Gamecentral didnt have its Editors bitching
today-Just wait for the feature on saturday,It
does have more bitchy letters though,and i think
one sticking up for
Driv3r.
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:20
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I never released we had so
many sleepers on this forum working in the
industry, waiting for their moment to pounce and
reveal the dark under tones of the industry.
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Level_7_Boss
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 3:05
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SillySprout
wrote:

I
never released we had so many sleepers on this
forum working in the industry, waiting for their
moment to pounce and reveal the dark under tones
of the industry.

Tell me about it... from a
certain post style, I'm happy to see someone here
with and opinion on this matter. And in such a
thread; with such
a post. He's done it before, but in
fleeting moments elswhere only.

If it is
him, of course.

Can't wait for opinions
from Edge, GamesTM, Redeye and Biffo on this.
Fingers crossed they take it on board
somehow.
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:28
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Steve
wrote:

Big_Damn_Hero
wrote:

I've finally stopped laughing.

Right. *Cracks Knuckles*

.....<snip>

Err, well you've stolen
my thunder!

I intended to write a large
response to Nick but you've said everything I
planned to say and some. Give yourself a pat on
the back.

I recognise your writing style
and I can't put a name to it. I'm sure we've
crossed paths before somewhere. If you want to
reveal your name drop me a
PM.

You're not Stuart Campbell,
are you,
Big_Damn_Hero?
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:44
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Reviews update:
Eurogamer gives Driv3r a stunning 3/10.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=55870

Good review. Oooooh, they hated it!!! They
even make reference to the reviews
controversy.......the Reflections people had
better hide themselves in a nuclear bunker, can't
wait for the EDGE review!!!
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