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Reviews. Were PSM2 & XBW honest? (Part
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dodgy_dave
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:45
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OctogenarianPussy
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dodgy_dave
wrote:

Yes I do. Does that mean
to say that my opinion doesn't count. Because
otherwise this arguments going nowhere if you're
just gonna hold a biased attitude the whole way
through.

You have yet to play the game,
so therefore all you know is through word of
mouth. How can you possibly slate something that
you haven't even
played.

No Dave your opinion is
perfectly valid. However you must be able to
sense the growing feeling amongst the community
that something can't be right here with these
two magazine
scores?

I've have already said if
other people want to hate it then so be it. I for
one am willing to let off slight technical issues,
that in no way affect the gameplay of the game,
and enjoy a perfectly good video game.

There might be a pay off, there might not
be. Nobody knows, and nobody ever is going to
know. It wouldn't have been the first time and it
certainly won't be the last.

If I was a
reviewer then I would have definitely given it 90%
at least, without a pay off. What's to say they
thought the same??

My God, some people
might actually find it
good!
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:48
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PSM2 say that 4
or 5 of their writers take a look at the
game......therefore Dodgy Dave, since you're one
of the only people who thinks that the game's
worth 90%, how do you square that
circle??
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:51
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Very true Dave.
One mans Michelangelo is another man's load of old
wadge.

Honesty and trust are the bigger
issues here though aren't
they?
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jamiej
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:52
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Taking a look
isnt the same as reviewing
surely....
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:53
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Does anyone
know the names of the former editors of EDGE? I
know it's on the internet
somewhere...
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:53
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The magazines
in question are surely shooting themselves in the
foot in situations like this though aren't they?

I mean, fair enough, they might get a nice
lump sum from the publisher in the short term, but
then when people actually play the game for
themselves when it is released, they will realise
that the review was bollocks, which would
obviously effect their reputation and therefore,
their long term sales of the magazine.

The
magazines job is to inform people about a games
quality, or in this case lack of. If they go
spouting on about how good it is and give it 9/10,
then the readers take their word for it and go and
buy it, then they are not going to be very happy
about it when the game turns out to be shite.

It just seems very stupid of the mags to
do it, good in the short term but in the longer
term its fucks them up.

I do agree that this sort of stuff does go
on though, I haven't played Driv3r but even I can
see that these reviews must be dodgy with the
amount of negative feedback the game is
getting.
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:54
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Have edge
reviewed it?
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:00
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Eighthours
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PSM2 say that 4 or 5 of their
writers take a look at the game......therefore
Dodgy Dave, since you're one of the only people
who thinks that the game's worth 90%, how do you
square that
circle??

How do you possibly expect
me to back up the points of half the PSM2 team.
Maybe they all liked it? Remember they look at
games from the whole spectrum, from the absolute
sh*t ones through to AAA titles. They know what's
good and what isn't. Consumers such as yourself on
the other hand mainly only buy AAA titles, and so
have a level of, shall we say, snobbery. If the
game doesn't quite meet the standards you've grown
accustom to you'll flame it for all it's worth,
especially seeing as it's such a high-profile
release.

Strictly on the technical side,
no, it doesn't meet the standards of Vice City,
but that doesn't stop it from being a damn fun
game in it's own
right.
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:08
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If you have to
blame anyone it should be these guys:

http://www.thefuturenetwork.plc.uk/directors1.html#greg

Money, money, money. All the
time.
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:25
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Brilliant-dissing future execs and
mags on their own forums
Genius.
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:29
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The game has
been released a week early. There are only two
reviews available for the game. Other reviews from
the web have supposedly been pulled.

The
whole thing smacks of a company that knows it's
got a pile of pap on it's hands and are trying to
sell what it has while it
can.
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:37
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dodgy_dave
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Consumers such as yourself on
the other hand mainly only buy AAA titles, and
so have a level of, shall we say, snobbery. If
the game doesn't quite meet the standards you've
grown accustom to you'll flame it for all it's
worth, especially seeing as it's such a
high-profile
release.

Snobbery? I can see where
you're coming from, but I don't see only wanting
to buy high class products as being snobby, just
being intelligent!!

The thing about this
whole issue is that I've seen plenty of other
titles get SLATED by PSM2 for far less technical
crimes than Driv3r commits, and I think that's
where your argument falls down. If technical
considerations can mark a game down by quite an
amount in other reviews, why not Driv3r?

Just wait for the EDGE and Games TM
reviews. I can already see the Atari execs
cowering in the
corner.
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:41
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Perhaps this
game will be the one to bring this murky practice
out into the spotlight?
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Steve
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:44
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jamiej
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Brilliant-dissing future execs
and mags on their own forums
Genius.

It’s not dissing. Anyone
“dissing” is ruining our chance to hear the
counter-argument from PSM2 and XBW.

PSM2
bluffed their way out of it in the last thread and
as people now own the game I thought it was a good
opportunity to reopen the debate as it was clearly
brushed under the carpet last time.

Did
anyone download the ‘flying car’ movie? Maybe
Driv3r is set in the year 2015 and it was just Doc
Brown in his DeLorean? Who knows!
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:45
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Eighthours
wrote:

dodgy_dave
wrote:

Consumers such as yourself on
the other hand mainly only buy AAA titles, and
so have a level of, shall we say, snobbery. If
the game doesn't quite meet the standards you've
grown accustom to you'll flame it for all it's
worth, especially seeing as it's such a
high-profile
release.

Snobbery? I can see where
you're coming from, but I don't see only wanting
to buy high class products as being snobby, just
being intelligent!!

The thing about this
whole issue is that I've seen plenty of other
titles get SLATED by PSM2 for far less technical
crimes than Driv3r commits, and I think that's
where your argument falls down. If technical
considerations can mark a game down by quite an
amount in other reviews, why not Driv3r?

Just wait for the EDGE and Games TM
reviews. I can already see the Atari execs
cowering in the
corner.

That is not my argument
here. I have only ever bought a few issues of PSM2
and so cannot fairly compare review with review. I
am simply saying that this may not be a
conspiracy, it may be a genuine
review.
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