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Reviews. Were PSM2 & XBW honest? (Part
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Prince Of
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:02
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Aren't people
taking this a bit too seriously? It's only a game
after all.

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Cal
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:07
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Prince Of Evil
wrote:

Aren't people taking this a bit
too seriously? It's only a game after
all.

Maybe, but if you're
slogging your guts out doing a paper round or
saturday job for the £40 to buy the game only to
find... well you know where this is going.

So, it is actually serious for a lot of
people for whom £40 is a lot of money to chuck
away.

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KKLEIN
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:07
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Sprite Machine
wrote:

No, we have a difference of
opinion. What they said is totally truthful, not
a lie.

Well at the very least it's
'bending' the truth to ridiculous
levels.
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Sprite
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:10
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KKLEIN
wrote:

Well at the very least it's
'bending' the truth to ridiculous
levels.

Well the 'truth' doesn't really
come into it, unless they were to say "the
framerate maintains a constant 60 frames per
second," which would be a total
and utter lie.

However, I'd quite
agree, whilst anyone is entitled to
score it whatever they want, I'd certainly
consider anyone who gave it a 9 to be a bit of a
nonce.

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Eighthours
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:14
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Sprite Machine
wrote:

No, we have a difference of
opinion. What they said is totally truthful, not
a lie.
If they didn't mention any other
'faults' it's because they didn't think it had
any others. It falls quite happily into that
'subjective trap' again, you see.
"The
framerate is bad, the pop-up is bad, the on-foot
controls are bad" - are these facts? Are these
factual faults that have been ignored? No, they
are a matter of
opinion.

I think such technical
aspects of a game can be seen as fact to a certain
extent, to be perfectly honest.

Sprite Machine
wrote:

Driver 1 had loads of pop-up,
occasional slow-down, glitches, bugs (most of
them were more 'funny' than anything else) and
so forth, and yet that gets widely praised (and
rightly so, I might add - see my Driver 'Retroview' on
Gamestyle for a drive down memory
lane...)!

But that was back
in....when.....1999? We're a full generation of
hardware and 5 years ahead of that now!! Such
flaws are not acceptable anymore. As an analogy,
if Star Wars Episode 3 had the same standard of
visual effects as a 50s film, don't you think it
would be quite alright to slate it for that reason
while reviewing it?! And that the mag in question
would be doing a GRAVE disservice to its readers
if they didn't mention it?

Sprite Machine
wrote:

It's well within anyone's rights
to score Driv3r a 9 out of 10 if they want to,
if they believe, in their opinion, it is worth
such a score; though personally, I don't (my
issues with the game stem from rather
infuriating design decisions and
over-harshness).

You're spot-on there, but
the point of this thread is that it looks
increasingly likely that the review scores
(coincidentally the exclusive reviews) don't
correspond with the non-exclusive scores now
coming in thick and fast, for reasons not of
opinion, but because of influence from the Atari
PR Svengalis. I tell you what, if any of the other
mags next month give it a 9 then we can safely say
that it's all opinion. I almost guarantee they
won't.
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Sprite
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:18
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Eighthours
wrote:

I think such technical aspects
of a game can be seen as fact to a certain
extent, to be perfectly
honest.

Well, technically, they
wouldn't be fact*. They'd still be opinion, but
they'd be a shared opinion unanimously agreed upon
by virtually everyone on the face of the planet.
Like, for example, if a game had a framerate of 3
frames per second, you could say the
frame rate is "fine", but people would certainly
question your mental health if you did.

*It's just a matter of the
subjectivity of the phrasing, really.

Eighthours
wrote:

You're spot-on there, but the
point of this thread is that it looks
increasingly likely that the review scores
(coincidentally the exclusive reviews) don't
correspond with the non-exclusive scores now
coming in thick and fast, for reasons not of
opinion, but because of influence from the Atari
PR Svengalis. I tell you what, if any of the
other mags next month give it a 9 then we can
safely say that it's all opinion. I almost
guarantee they
won't.

As do I.

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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:21
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subject:

Isn't Nellis
posting his views on the game
today?
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Bomberman
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:23
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???\0\0\0\0???\0quote="Prince Of
Evil"]Aren't people taking this a bit too
seriously? It's only a game after all.[/quote]

Maybe, but if you're slogging your guts
out doing a paper round or saturday job for the
£40 to buy the game only to find... well you know
where this is going.

So, it is actually
serious for a lot of people for whom £40 is a lot
of money to chuck away.[/quote]

Surely
if you don't like it, you take it back. everywhere
does refunds these days. problem
solved!
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KKLEIN
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:23
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OctogenarianPussy
wrote:

Isn't Nellis posting his views
on the game today?

So he told us
anyway.
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CyberE1ectric
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:28
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Quote:

Just look at the piles of sh*t
the movie industry manages to get hundreds of
millions from

The games industry and the
film industry works in completely different ways.
We need to remember that.

If I heard that
Troy was a pile of sh*t, which had wooden horses
driving in the sky and Bradd Pitt bouncing up and
down through the floor, I would still have paid £4
to watch it, and I'm sure most people would have.

I would not pay £45 quid
for a game that's as bad as Driv3r is supposed to
be. I wouldn't even pay £4 for it...

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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:29
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The Owner of A
Landfill Site in Newcastle
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Brace for impact and howay
the lads!

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Pell
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:33
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subject:

CyberE1ectric
wrote:

I would not pay £45
quid for a game that's as bad as Driv3r is
supposed to be. I wouldn't even pay £4
for it...

Did you even think before you wrote
that?
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GwiDan
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:33
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KKLEIN
wrote:

OctogenarianPussy
wrote:

Isn't Nellis posting his views
on the game
today?

So he told us
anyway.

He'd be a brave man to come
back after yesterday, and the fact that their
editorial team bowed to the might of commercialism
instead of refusing with a bit of integrity showed
they're not particularly brave at that Future
office.

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tnman
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:50
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subject:

I’d just like
to take this time to analyse some of the stupider
stuff posted in this thread.

OctogenarianPussy
wrote:

Perhaps this game will be the
one to bring this murky practice out into the
spotlight?

What the f**k are you on
about? You’re making it seem like all the Future
staff are locked away in dark rooms, with cash
regularly fed through the door accompanied by
preview codes asking for a good score. There is no
murky practice.

KKLEIN
wrote:

Just to prove how good these
‘journalists’ are, one of them (Tim Clark –
OPS2) used to work for the smutty Live TV cable
channel. Don’t know what it is? Think sex, sex
& yes, more sex. Oh and the odd UFO &
Bangers’n’smash program
too.

People DO have previous
careers you know. What’s the problem?

GwiDan
wrote:

Everyone knows that magazines
get paid off; it's been happening for
years.

Everyone? What a crock of
shite.

GwiDan
wrote:

Printed magazines are no longer
worth the trees they're printed on - the
journalists don't make enough money to have
ideals, and if they're offered a nice bonus for
some mild "alterations" to an
unimportant-in-the-grand-scheme-of-things game,
then so be it. It's human nature, and filthy
rich game publishers capitalize on
this.

I’m not saying things like
this don’t happen, but at Future I know they
don’t. For the week I spent there I didn’t see any
cash-ridden envelopes which are what everyone
thinks lies around desks casually. This is one
review in two separate magazines, just because two
people, two
separate reviewers, happened to like the
game all of a sudden they’re bribed?! MHTL likes
Kirby Air Ride you know. He only likes it because
he was bribed to publicise it here on GR.

poser1929
wrote:

I'm a qualified journalist - a
'proper' one, not at a games mag. Several times
I've seen good stories pulled because of
board-level
decisions.

Are you short of a few
brain cells?! Since when is a journalist who
writes for a games magazine not ‘proper’?! Go back
to school, your crayola-drawn qualifications
really don’t mean anything.

KKLEIN
wrote:

All their magazines promise
honest articles & sensible buying advice,
with that they should
deliver.

Good thing they do then,
eh?

nellis
wrote:

I only mention this to
illustrate that games, like most things in life,
are so often down to the reviewer's/gamer's
taste.

*Cue applause*.

OctogenarianPussy
wrote:

What does nine mean? Nine means
fabulous, wonderful, enjoyable, great fun, well
worth your money. Nine does not mean,
unplayable, boring, unimaginitive, painful,
broken, unfinished.

That’s just conflict of
opinion.

GwiDan
wrote:

He'd be a brave man to come back
after yesterday, and the fact that their
editorial team bowed to the might of
commercialism instead of refusing with a bit of
integrity showed they're not particularly brave
at that Future
office.

Nobody who has posted in
this thread has yet to provide iron-cast evidence
that any dodgy dealings have been going on at
Future.
And as Miriam_NGC posted earlier in
the thread, things have been sent back before -
Future employees just don't whore gifts
and shove on a good review
score.
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:53
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DRIV3R
Rocks.... like it?.... buy it.... don't..... why
do you even bother....

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