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Reviews. Were PSM2 & XBW honest? (Part
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KKLEIN
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:57
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tnman
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KKLEIN
wrote:

All their magazines promise
honest articles & sensible buying advice,
with that they should
deliver.

Good thing they do then,
eh?

Did PSM2? Did XBW?
No.
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:59
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Am I the only person waiting
to see which of the Driv3r reviews the people in
charge choose to use on Gamesradar?
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:59
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With all due
respect did I deserve that? So I choose to call
this a murky practice. I think it is murky. Very
murky. Murky murky murky. Perhaps it's just the
word you don't like?
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Cal
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:00
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tnman
wrote:

Future employees just don't whore
gifts and shove on a good review
score.

I believe in the integrity
of EDGE. They can be such total b*stards I think
they've become almost incorruptible (although
every man's got his price, right?) and woe betide
any little PR workie who tries their luck down at
EDGE Towers.

But as for the rest, the
'laddish' end of the games mags market.
Hmmm.

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KKLEIN
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:01
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SillySprout
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Am I
the only person waiting to see which of the
Driv3r reviews the people in charge choose to
use on Gamesradar?

They've used the PSM2
one.
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Bomberman
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:03
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KKLEIN
wrote:

tnman
wrote:

KKLEIN
wrote:

All their magazines promise
honest articles & sensible buying advice,
with that they should
deliver.

Good thing they do then,
eh?

Did PSM2? Did XBW?
No.

What about all 49 issues of
PSM2 previous to the Driv3r issue? I do believe
that they have always delivered informed opinion
that in my mind has been accurate and helped me
with buying decisions. I'm sure if they were
dishonest, why would they have given Tomb Raider
58%?

I'll continue buying the mag due to
the above reason.
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tnman
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:04
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KKLEIN
wrote:

tnman
wrote:

KKLEIN
wrote:

All their magazines promise
honest articles & sensible buying advice,
with that they should
deliver.

Good thing they do then,
eh?

Did PSM2? Did XBW?
No.

Just because one magazine
reviewed a game with unfinished code. nellis
decided to believe Atari that some of the bugs
would be ironed out, for all you know they were.

As dodgy_dave will probably tell you, among
with others, DRIV3R can still be an enjoyable
experience.

OctogenarianPussy
wrote:

With all due respect did I
deserve that?

Yes.

OctogenarianPussy
wrote:

If you don't like how I've put
it then read the tens of others who have used
different expressions to describe the same f**k
thing.

Ah yes, but they've used
different expressions. The work "murky" I just
found to be way to harsh in the context you used
it.
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:08
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Bomberman
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What about all 49 issues of PSM2
previous to the Driv3r issue? I do believe that
they have always delivered informed opinion that
in my mind has been accurate and helped me with
buying decisions. I'm sure if they were
dishonest, why would they have given Tomb Raider
58%?

I'll continue buying the mag due to
the above reason.

F**king legend,
Bomberman. Legend. There is no better way to word
that than you just
have.
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:08
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And I'm going
to continue to use it because I believe it be
true. Please try to answer these questions for me;

- why did the Atari PR team stop online
reviews of the game?
- why did Atari allow the
game to ship early?
- why did xbw, despite
being aware of the games MAJOR shortcomings, give
the game a nine?
- why is there an offer for
xbw bundled with the game?

I've become
more convinced something fishy has gone on since
this thread has developed. I'll refer you to my
first posts in this thread. I'm willing to believe
that this is all some sort of coincidence. But I
ask you tnman, the same question I ask Nellis. How
does it look to you? How do you think some others
see it? Whether there was some kind of murky deal
or not, the damage is already done.

We'll
see how it all plays out in
time.
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KKLEIN
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:09
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Bomberman
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why would they have given Tomb
Raider 58%?

Because OPS2 got it first. You
watch, the exact same thing will happen when OPS2
reviews it in 2 weeks time.

Quote:

For the week I spent there

One week - if anything is going
on there, they're hardly going to tell you on your
first week on the job are
they?
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:12
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subject:

KKLEIN
wrote:

SillySprout
wrote:

Am I
the only person waiting to see which of the
Driv3r reviews the people in charge choose to
use on Gamesradar?

They've used the PSM2
one.

That's the last time I try to
be clever!
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tnman
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:15
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KKLEIN
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Quote:

For the week I spent there

One week - if anything is
going on there, they're hardly going to tell you
on your first week on the job are
they?

Touche sir, but the week
was enough to poke my nose in.
Besides, do you
even realise how insulting and generalising this
topic is to so many Future
staff?
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banjo_ted
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:19
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Quote:

KKLEIN wrote:
Quote:
For
the week I spent there

One week - if
anything is going on there, they're hardly going
to tell you on your first week on the job are
they?

Touche sir, but the week was
enough to poke my nose in.
Besides, do you
even realise how insulting and generalising this
topic is to so many Future
staff?

Do you realise how
insulting the 9/10 score for Driv3r was for people
who've bought the magazine, bought what they
thought would be an excellent game and have
subsequently been disgusted?

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ontwofronts
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:23
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The case here
is actually two accusations of a lack of
integrity.

The first is over the use of
non-final code. To 'review' a game and ignore bugs
and glitches because the publishers says they will
be removed is naive in the extreme. To not state
the fact the review code is not finished and that
there are issues to iron out is deceitful. You're
basing a review on what you think a game 'will' be
like. To hide this from your readership is
underhand. In effect you're dressing a preview as
a review. I would feel very let down to make a
purchasing decision based on a review conducted in
this manner. Seeing as the final code is still bug
ridden and glitchy, these mags owe their readers
an apology.

Secondly, there is the
accusation that the review scores have been
influenced by the publisher and their PRs. In this
case there is plenty of circumtantial evidence -
ads booked, cover space, review scores - but no
smoking gun. Unless or until somebody from Future
or Atari breaks ranks and reveals details of a pay
off, we are left to suspect and ponder.

In
conclusion:

Flawed and untrustworthy
review policy - Yes
Corruption and bribery at
play - Unknown

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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:23
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banjo_ted
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Do you realise how insulting the
9/10 score for Driv3r was for people who've
bought the magazine, bought what they thought
would be an excellent game and have subsequently
been disgusted?

*Slams head on desk*.

Do you realise that there are people who enjoy
DRIV3R?!
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