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Reviews. Were PSM2 & XBW honest? (Part
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Jonny_Darko
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 5:40
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Well no-one can
be totally unbiased but the Beeb still is as
impartial as they come and will no doubt lap up
any story about corruption in the games press.
They do love plumbing those consumer rights
issues. And the summer's biggest videogame release
being blatently unfinished and yet at a higher
than usual RRP is a pretty big deal.

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Vyper
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 5:47
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pieman
wrote:

True Vyper, but will 4river or
what ever they call the next one sell if people
on the whole have a bad memory of the game? I
suppose the question is are consumers that
shallow that a lot of glossy advertising can
convince them that a game is worthy, when it
isn't.....

Good point, but theres always
people out there who will buy something just
because its a big name, although after this I
reckon they'd think very hard and wait very long
before they dared to release another anyway. That
is of course if they're taking any notice of what
people in groups such as this are saying at
all
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KKLEIN
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:05
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Tell the Beeb,
tell watchdog, tell Sky, tell ITV. Hell e-mail the
Sun, they love this sorta stuff. If they can have
a main story on a boy that eats jam sandwiches
they'll lap something like this up. So will
Paragon for that matter – getting one over on
their competitors so to
speak.
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jamiej
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:08
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Its all well
and good saying you'll tell
someone...
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:12
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Apart from the
one post there's not been much input from the two
mags in question. Wonder why? You would of thought
they would at least fight for their respective
corner?

I get the impression that no
matter what's uncovered within these pages or
indeed outside of them those in question simply
don't care which I feel is worse than the supposed
crime itself.
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tnman
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:26
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I'd like to
make another point.

Steve
wrote:

There’s only a few decent
magazines available today, Edge (obviously),
NGC, games™, PC Gamer and erm, that’s it. The
rest are absolute
rubbish.

Well then, in your opinion,
if these magazines are decent why are you (and so
many others) still slagging them all off? So many
posts on this thread are extremely generalised and
offensive to a
lot of writers. When you people mention
Future and magazine staff you're not talking about
PSM2 and XBW, you're talking about everybody.
Doesn't anyone realise
that?
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Sander
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:31
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tnman
wrote:

I'd like to make another point.

Steve
wrote:

There’s only a few decent
magazines available today, Edge (obviously),
NGC, games™, PC Gamer and erm, that’s it. The
rest are absolute
rubbish.

Well then, in your
opinion, if these magazines are decent why are
you (and so many others) still slagging them all
off? So many posts on this thread are extremely
generalised and offensive to a lot of
writers. When you people mention Future and
magazine staff you're not talking about PSM2 and
XBW, you're talking about everybody. Doesn't
anyone realise
that?

The writers of NGC an edge
and the rest are all part of the future group.
Future is their publisher and the mags doesn't
have any connection to each other ( they all work
in the same building that's
all)
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trelliz
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:44
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subject:

I retract
anything nice or positive i've ever said about
Driv3r. i'm on the chase mission, after the
botched meeting with the bagman dude. i've begun
chasing calita, and at some random distance i fail
the mission, even though i can still f**king see
her! when she gets overthe bridge and i'm told to
find another route, i turn around and head back,
only to fail the mission because i'm too far away!
this game can just f**k off. i thought it was
good, but i have no idea why i'm chasing all these
people (due to the vaguely bland plot) who seem to
drive perfectly, even making the AI of Gran
Turismo look poor and amateurish.

I
apologise to anyone who had to spend the time and
physical energy to diasgree with my posts about
the goodness of this game. It is a cankerous
floater that deserved to be flushed, along with
all the other turds.

Btw, has anyone
noticed that (with the exception of FSW) all the
uber-hyped, utter shite games have these "preview
dvds" that you get when you pre-order them (Tomb
Raider AOD, True Crime, DRIV3R!!!

Now i'll
go back to Ikaruga, a game that's impossibly hard
because it was designed that way, rather than
Driv3r, which is impossibly hard because it wasn't
designed at all.
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Actually its PGR2. You can
clearly make out the buildings of Florence and
the happy sun highlights
this.

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simon71
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:50
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subject:

Just thought
I'd throw in this quote from the spong.com forums.

Stuart Campbell
wrote:

This sort of behaviour DID used
to go on in the old days. While working for
Future in about 1993, I was invited by Colin
Campbell (now, last time I looked, publisher of
Official Xbox Magazine) to review Super Space
Invaders by Domark on the C64. However, the
condition was that the game had to score at
least (if I recall the figure correctly) 66%.
Naturally I declined, because the game was
abysmal. But nevertheless, the review WAS
"sold", and went ahead with a score above the
required minimum, written by someone else.

There were many other examples of such
things being attempted, I remember Titus in
particular being lavish with freebies for (I
think) console versions of Lamborghini American
Challenge, as long as certain scores (over 90 on
that occasion, I think) were awarded. The only
change is that journalists seem to have raised
their prices.

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Pell
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:52
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Sander
wrote:

The writers of NGC an edge and
the rest are all part of the future group.
Future is their publisher and the mags doesn't
have any connection to each other ( they all
work in the same building that's
all)

Well that's a pretty naive
comment. Many of the writers write for or have
written for more than one mag you realise. They
contribute to all sorts.
Geraint Evans reviews
for NGC and Gamesmaster (He did MK:DD for both).
Marcus Hawkins the editor of NGC used to edit
PSM2. They are basically one big team and so
critisims do cover the whole group.
I would
agree that some of the magazines vary in quality,
for whatever reason, but to say that each one is
completely individual is just plain
wrong.
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bear
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:54
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Does anyone
know how many pages of Atari advertising there are
in each of the magazines this month?
Although
next month is likely to be the real test of what
Future's official line is.

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SillySprout
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:56
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Pell
wrote:

Sander
wrote:

The writers of NGC an edge and
the rest are all part of the future group.
Future is their publisher and the mags doesn't
have any connection to each other ( they all
work in the same building that's
all)

Well that's a pretty naive
comment. Many of the writers write for or have
written for more than one mag you realise. They
contribute to all sorts.
Geraint Evans
reviews for NGC and Gamesmaster (He did MK:DD
for both). Marcus Hawkins the editor of NGC used
to edit PSM2. They are basically one big team
and so critisims do cover the whole
group.

Doesn't that scare you more
though? If it happens on one magazine, what are
the chances of it happening on another magazine
run by the same people? Pretty high I'd say.

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Pell
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:58
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No, because I
fail to believe that the people I have had contact
with would be involved in this sort of thing (ie
personal bribes) in any sort of way. Plus I think
that they wouldn't not want to work in an
environment, in such close proximity, where their
writing was effectively being
censored.
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bear
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:01
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While looking
over the psm2 issue in question I have just one
question for the staff on the mag.Why was the most
junior member of staff put on such a big review?By
your own admission he is not as good a writer as
Nathan Irvine otherwise he would have out your
PSM2 idol comp.Also Jorin reviewed games in the
same issue and so surely should have reviewed it
as he was the most experienced reviewer
available.Afterall this was the lead review in
your 50th issue so surely the best available
reviewer should have been put on it.

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Pell
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:08
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This is the
only scenario, were something to have happened,
which I could imagine:

Any "deal" would
have been made at a high level ie board of
directors level. If an individual were to have
attempted it then they must have been pretty
stupid not to have thought they would be caught.
Neither writers nor editors would have the power
imo to be able to co-ordinate an exclusive which
involved both advertising for the magazine within
the game and many adverts (eg vouchers) for Driv3r
in the mag.
Future employees would not have
been told, the only one(s) lower than the top few
being maybe the editor and the reviewer.
Not
one single individual would personally gain from
this. It would be a management deal. No
promotional items, free televisions or holidays
for the editor and writer or any of the tripe that
some people have suggested. This was done purely
for the companies involved.

Let me make this clear.
I am not suggesting this is what has happened. I
do not want to believe that this has happened at
all. What I want to make clear is that for those
that have their mind set upon dodgy dealings,
don't think that if so it was individuals pawning
the system for personal gain.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT
BRIBES WERE A FACTOR FOR THE
REVIEWS
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