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Reviews. Were PSM2 & XBW honest? (Part
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dodgy_dave
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:55
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space doubt 3
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Edge score
3/10.

Typical.
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Matthew
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:17
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dodgy_dave
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space doubt 3
wrote:

Edge score
3/10.

Typical.

You like it.
Most other
people here, and those reviewing it, don't.

Really, stop worrying about it.

Oh!
And also, CVG = 64%

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space doubt
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:21
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Yeah some
people need to reailse that it's possible to enjoy
a crappy game, we all do it
sometime.
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:24
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Typical of it
being the right score you mean for such a badly
rushed piece of rubbish?
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Eighthours
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:26
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subject:

Jonny_Darko
wrote:

gamesindustry.biz
wrote:

/-------------------------------------------------------

GamesIndustry.biz Weekly Update - 24/06/2004

-------------------------------------------------------/

The launch of Driv3r has been
telegraphed for weeks as being an important
event - not necessarily because of the
anticipation for the title, which is the
annoyingly-monikered current generation update
of the well-received PSone franchise, but rather
because of the huge impact its success or
failure will have on the future of its
publisher, Atari.

For a second year
running, Atari has effectively bet the farm on a
single title - with some estimates suggesting
that the game will need to sell four million
units worldwide just to recoup its huge
development and marketing budget, while
speculation runs rife within the business
community that should the game fail, Atari could
well go to the wall. We've all been here before,
with last year's Enter The Matrix; it sold
millions of units, and Atari lived to fight
another day. Something else also gives a
distinct sense of deja vu - like Enter The
Matrix, early reviews of Driv3r have divided
broadly between those which consider it a
disastrous failure, and those which have lauded
it to the heavens, with the bulk of opinion
seeming to come down in favour of a critical
slating.

What's different, this time, is
that the divided opinions have ignited a
firestorm of discussion and debate over the
entire issue of reviews and the politics which
surround them. Accusations of review scores
being "sold" in return for advertising and other
such incentives have flown back and forth,
publications have been forced to admit to
reviewing from incomplete code and taking
Atari's word that bugs would be fixed, and the
whole question of how trustworthy reviews
actually are has been given an airing once again
- along, of course, with the ultimate question
of the credibility of publications which are
supported by advertising for the products which
they attempt to review impartially.

These are important questions for the
games media, but there's a single more important
question which won't be answered until the sales
figures for Driv3r finally appear - namely, just
how relevant are reviews at all?

Driv3r
may have achieved incredibly - arguably
ludicrously - high scores from some
publications, but major sites such as IGN and
Gamespot have both criticised the game harshly,
as have several other publications. It seems
likely that the balance of professional critical
opinion will come down heavily against the
title; but while Atari is unlikely to be happy
with this situation, nobody seems to believe
that this critical slating is going to make
Driv3r bomb.

In fact, even those
journalists who have slated the game admit that
it's probably going to ride high on the charts
for months; and while review scores might drive
sales lower than they would have been otherwise,
Driv3r will probably still sell the four million
units it needs to shift with ease.

Reviews certainly aren't irrelevant;
hardcore gamers rely heavily upon them, and
those elusive "key opinion formers" probably
read reviews, even if their friends don't. But
there's little doubt that the Driv3r episode
should prompt much navel-gazing in the games
media, and perhaps some deep thought among
publishers. If a game can be released in an
unfinished state, filled with fairly serious
bugs and - in the opinion of many professional
critics - badly designed in the first place, and
still sell four million units, then a host of
problems are raised. Where are those purchasers
getting their information from? Why are poor
reviews failing to influence them, and what can
the games media do to help this situation? Will
bad experiences with hugely hyped games damage
their interest in gaming as a hobby, and hurt
our industry in the long run?

None of
the answers are apparent - but it's important
that answers are found, both for the future of
the games media, and for the future of the games
publishing industry as a whole.

Personally from Future's
response I get the impression that they're
hoping this will blow over. I don't think it
will. Or if it does we'll all just be back here
again in a few weeks going through the same
crap. Poor Mia Roberts doesn't seem to have
realised how big this is snowballing and as a
result seems to have made herself look a bit
daft.

Kudos to everyone on this
forum. The article above was written as a direct
result of this topic, which with a few nods and
winks to other forums, has been taken up all over
the Net. I really hope that some good comes out of
this.

If anyone from Xboxgamer would like
to come on here (anonymously obviously) and tell
us the exact reason why they weren't allowed to
review the game, I'm sure we'd all be very
grateful. We can all guess of course, but it would
be nice to hear it from one of you. Or just PM me
and I'll relay the
info.
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Pell
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:27
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Are XBoxGamer
part of Future? If so whoever allowed that comment
in the news section to stand took a mighty big
risk!
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Steve
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:34
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Eighthours
wrote:

Kudos to everyone on this forum.
The article above was written as a direct result
of this topic, which with a few nods and winks
to other forums, has been taken up all over the
Net. I really hope that some good comes out of
this.

Well that’s all I wanted
this thread to achieve – a positive
outcome.
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marvelharvey
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:57
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dodgy_dave
wrote:

marvelharvey
wrote:

One of the games I worked on got
a bad score on leading game website, 2 hours and
one phone call from our publisher later, the
score goes up 2 whole points!

What game was
that?

Sorry, I don't want to go
into detail on that and in retrospect I don't want
to name the website either (even though plenty of
people have already read it) so I have changed my
original post.

Oh, I'll be sending you a
PM in a moment

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KKLEIN
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:58
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Pell
wrote:

Are XBoxGamer part of Future? If
so whoever allowed that comment in the news
section to stand took a mighty big
risk!

Yes, the exact same building -
the one with the green
walls.
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KKLEIN
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:05
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therockett
wrote:

Quote:

Def reviewed next month. We
could have reviewed it this month but for
reason's we'd probably be sacked for telling you
had to not review instead. One day we're going
to write a book about the ganes industry - Then
they'll all be sorry.

Well I take it it should read:

Quote:

Definite review next month. We
could have reviewed it this month but for
reason's we'd probably be sacked for telling you
here, had to leave it instead. One day we're
going to write a book about the games industry -
Then they'll all be
sorry.

That's another issue I've got
to buy then, Future are making a bomb outer
me...
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bear
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:10
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subject:

Has anyone
contacted the Sun yet?I know its not exactly a
good paper but you know getting this sort
publicity outside our "circle" can only be a good
thing right.

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KKLEIN
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:14
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bear
wrote:

Has anyone contacted the Sun
yet?I know its not exactly a good
paper.

Not a good paper?! Well I like
it, an idiot could read it. Plus it's the only
paper where I can actually do the crossword so it
must be good.
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dodgy_dave
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:16
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Matthew
wrote:

dodgy_dave
wrote:

space doubt 3
wrote:

Edge score
3/10.

Typical.

You like it.
Most other
people here, and those reviewing it, don't.

Really, stop worrying about it.

Oh!
And also, CVG =
64%

No what I mean is that it's
typical of Edge to give it 3/10.

Huge
Atari game + Huge Interest + Slight Disappointment
= 3/10
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Pell
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:16
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KKLEIN
wrote:

Pell
wrote:

Are XBoxGamer part of Future? If
so whoever allowed that comment in the news
section to stand took a mighty big
risk!

Yes, the exact same building
- the one with the green
walls.

Hmmm, the plot thickens!
Well maybe it's just that they didn't have the
rights to th exclusive?

To anyone in the
business, how exactly are exclusives forged and
what sort of power does that give magazines (ie
does it mean others are not allowed an early copy
of the game or to not print anytng until after the
exclusive?)?
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bear
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:16
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Then you should
contact them.Afterall they are more likely to
listen to dedicated reader

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